Ep 90：AI先驱Jürgen Schmidhuber谈AI现状
Ep 90: AI Pioneer Jürgen Schmidhuber on the State of AI Today
Unsupervised LearningPodcast2026-07-09
Jürgen Schmidhuber博士是一位著名科学家和人工智能研究员，被广泛认为是该领域的先驱之一，他通过实验室的工作提出了当今变压器、LSTM和回归自我改进背后的关键想法。他认为，真正的AGI仍然受到物理硬件的限制，随着开源与封闭实验室的步伐，当今的人工智能数据中心投资正在走向纠正，而通往通用智能的道路则贯穿人工好奇心和自我生成的实验，而不是互联网数据。最后，他重新考虑了主流人工智能安全论点，并提出了自我复制机器人社会最终殖民太阳系的全面愿景。（0：00）简介（1：24）超人人工智能有多接近？（2：27）为什么ChatGPT没有让他感到惊讶（3：21）递归自我改进的路径（9：01）AI起飞会感到突然吗？(11智能意味着效率（12 - 32）对实验室的建议：超越人类偏见的数据（17 - 10）人工Currency和乐趣理论（21 - 33）我们什么时候能找到人工智能科学家？(24：07）人工智能化学，MOFs和碳捕获（25：04）机器人现实检查（28：23）数据中心赌注：过度建设？(31开源与封闭实验室（34 - 25）第一个RSI会创造护城河吗？(38：06）人工智能安全和一致怀疑论（43：44）Quickfire与您的主持人：@ jacoboffron-Redpoint董事总经理
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Dr. Jürgen Schmidhuber, a renowned scientist and AI researcher widely regarded as one of the pioneers in the field, originated key ideas behind today's transformers, LSTMs, and recursive self-improvement through his lab's work. He argues that true AGI remains bottlenecked by physical hardware, that today's AI data center investments are headed for a correction as open-source keeps pace with closed labs, and that the path to general intelligence runs through artificial curiosity and self-generated experimentation rather than internet data. He closes by reconsidering mainstream AI safety arguments and offers a sweeping vision of self-replicating robot societies eventually colonizing the solar system. (0:00) Intro (1:24) How Close Is Superhuman AI? (2:27) Why ChatGPT Didn't Surprise Him (3:21) The Path to Recursive Self-Improvement (9:01) Will AI Takeoff Feel Sudden? (11:02) Intelligence Means Efficiency (12:32) Advice for Labs: Beyond Human-Biased Data (17:10) Artificial Curiosity and the Theory of Fun (21:33) When Do We Get the AI Scientist? (24:07) AI Chemistry, MOFs, and Carbon Capture (25:04) Robotics Reality Check (28:23) The Data Center Bet: Overbuilt? (31:48) Open Source vs. Closed Labs (34:25) Does Being First to RSI Create a Moat? (38:06) AI Safety and Alignment Skepticism (43:44) Quickfire With your host: @jacobeffron - Managing Director at Redpoint